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« on: June 17, 2007, 11:25:55 AM »


If you haven't noticed yet, the Liberal Capitalist Party does NOT support the war on drugs. On this topic we generally share the same position as the Libertarian Party and for the same reasons. The LP has held this position consistently for 30+ years, and in fact many outsiders think of the LP as the "pro-drug" party.

Now this is hardly a fair characterization but it's beside the point. The fact is people perceive the LP this way, and more importantly they continue to support prohibition in the same breath that they admit the WOD is a failure. What's an honest anti-drug war party to do?

Answer: I have no idea. Well that's not quite true, let me rephrase that: I have no simple idea. Most folks I personally speak with or correspond with fall into one of two categories: the easy-to-convince and the knuckle-heads. Most people seem to be in the easy-to-convince category, they just haven't thought about it that much and of course neither of the major parties have made eliminating prohibition an issue. In my experience, easy-to-convincers run the full political gamut from pot-heads to Baptists and genuinely are easy to convince. Knuckle-heads on the other hand aren't susceptible to reason on the issue for the most part. Most of them are social-cons, and they'll agree about the failures of the drug war, but prohibition seems to hold for them a certain air of propriety about it, and so they support it anyway.

The Libertarians have promoted the issue of drug legalization in much the same way they support many of their policies, with a matter-of-fact attitude and dose of dismissive condescension. I believe it is important for the LCP to avoid this. Even though there are very few policies that are so clearly impossible and harmful, the fact is that most people just don't realize this yet but even so aren't going to be steamrollered over the issue. That is why I would suggest that the LCP promote a "national dialogue" that revisits the premises underlying the war on drugs. This dialog should be patient and comprehensive so that an indisputable majority can eventually get up to speed on the subject.

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 12:39:38 AM »

It's a hard sell. Even if someone agrees with the position, the job isn't done. It's like selling someone on becoming a salesman. Even if you convince them to become a salesman, they don't make you any money until they actually sell something.

Since most people don't use illegal drugs, they don't care, at least not enough. They can't see how the illegality of a harmful substance from which they personally get no benefit is a bad thing. So they don't call congressman, write letters, or hire lobbyists. And most politicians see the legalizing of drugs as a non-starter.

A top down approach would seem to be the type of federalism Rudy is proposing. (On the issues he seems to be very close to being a Liberal Capitalist.) Unfortunately, the executive branch regulates all illegal drug use through the Interstate Commerce Clause, and that was upheld by the formerly liberal supreme court when a California resident was charged with possession of Marijuana. This in spite of the fact she was undergoing chemotherapy, it was for medical use, it was grown and used in California. At no time did it cross any state lines. Blah. (It's a double problem. The Republicans are anti-drug, and the Democrats are in favor of more power for the federal government.)

Even if a drug tolerant president were elected, he could only reduce enforcement during his term or terms. Once a war on drugs proponent was back in office, the foolishness would resume.

So, this is a problem that, at the federal level, would have to be solved by Congress. In the current climate, however, it's non negotiable.

At the state level, one might tally the amount of drug money confiscated each year by local law enforcement. I believe that money confiscated is kept by the local agencies. This is an incentive for agencies to "get tough" on drugs. Perhaps calling the state legislators and informing of the amounts of money confiscated and suggesting that it might be better put to use under state guidance might pull the money incentive from local police, and reduce the enforcement of current laws. Also, it would pull out of the picture the huge vested interest of fighting drug legalization that law enforcement has. Show me a thousand people who are in favor of drug legalization, and I'll show you every officer in every county, city, state, and federal jurisdiction that is against it. Every person employed by the DEA needs an agressive war on drugs to keep them paid.

Check out poor Eugene: http://www.theagitator.com/archives/026505.php

What's the answer? A majority of legislators at every level that are Liberal Capitalists. New people with some very old but very good ideas.

-dave
Disclaimer: I make no guarantee of any factual data, grammatical correctness, or freedom from spelling errors in this post. Read at your own risk.



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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 11:38:10 PM »

Dang dave,

You startled the crap out of me. I guess when I come up with some Liberal Capitalist T-Shirts you're going to have to get one for being the first non-me to post here  Smiley

I guess your point about most people not using drugs is the big difference between our current drug war and alcohol prohibition. One thing I commonly encounter from both ETC'ers and knuckle-heads is the general idea that at some level drug prohibition "works." During the days of alcohol prohibition, a time when the US was far less secular than it is today, somehow the idea that prohibition didn't work was made manifest socially and prohibition was repealed.

Some ideas which a "prohibition doesn't work" anti-narrative could focus on

1. Drugs are readily available everywhere, including inside our own prisons (i.e., the drug war as just another failed government program)

2. The drug war drives the crime that in turn politically threatens our gun rights (i.e., the drug war as a gun rights issue: when drugs are outlawed only outlaws deal drugs)

3. The drug war especially harms minority communities and poisons the relations between those communities and police (i.e., the drug war as a civil rights issue, e.g. racial profiling. What are the police profiling for?)

4. Legalizing drugs would free up law enforcement bandwidth to apply towards victim-based crimes. (redefine crime as an act requiring a victim: real jails for real criminals who commit real crimes)

5. By prohibiting drugs we might as well be sending Al Queda and other terrorist groups shipping containers full of money. (the drug war as a national security issue: war on drugs or war on terror: pick one)

[etc.]

Yes, Rudy is in many ways quite the liberal capitalist, which to me is very exciting, although I'm still a little disturbed by his behavior towards Wall Street before becoming mayor of NYC. We could definitely try to hook an anti-drug war caboose on any Federalism/States Rights train. My only fear is that any one politician or court acting capriciously could very easily blow back like gay marriage has done, and that would be a disaster.

yours/
peter.

PS: that Balko link was horrifying.
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